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[【辩证轩】] 大家来谈谈高校青年教师的感受吧!

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发表于 2007-10-2 11:01:58 | 显示全部楼层
引用第2楼lll999888于2007-09-17 21:49发表的 :



形象而准确,年轻教师是高校里的弱势群体,特别是现在评职称的条件几乎到了苛刻的程度,年轻教师上课拼命,写文章甚至背上沉重债务,发钱拿的最少。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

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见过一个33岁拿到博导的文科教师,开沃尔沃住豪宅,今年专著计划出5部。当年评职称提了一满手提袋巨著。这不,此人高徒正在隔壁帮其凑专著呢
据说秘诀不外乎:能混、能吃苦、脸皮厚。
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发表于 2007-10-2 19:49:39 | 显示全部楼层
青年教师刚参加工作时往往会对教学工作充满新鲜感和激情,但随着时间流逝,不少人的热情消退了。教学工作确实是学校的基础工作,对于高校来说也是如此,但目前在职称评定等许多问题上还是重科研轻教学,加之教学质量的评估本身就是颇具难度的问题,比如学生网上评教师真的能够反映老师的教学水平吗?这就使得教学质量的提升还未得到足够的回报。大多高校青年教师愿意把更多的精力投入到读学位中,奔着博士学位而去,忽视教学研究这一块。教学和科研如何结合也是个大问题。比如一些理工大学的人文氛围真的很淡薄,文科在其中不受重视,由于这些学校许多文科专业没有系所的成建制支撑,成了纯粹的教学工具,不少文科老师所授课程并非其所学专业,很难在教学和科研之间形成良性互动。
说到高校教师待遇问题——大家应该能理解我国的国情。只是希望别再一刀切地把高校教师定位为高收入阶层了,做个详细的调查报告吧,地区差距,校际差距,专业差距,校内差距……
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发表于 2007-10-4 15:32:20 | 显示全部楼层
累!这是比较贴切的形容!

但是,我很同意9楼的观点,“淡以明志、宁以致远”,虽然有点好高务远,却更应符合我们青年教师的实际!

毕竟,我们还年轻,需要经历的还有很多!……
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发表于 2007-10-5 10:30:51 | 显示全部楼层
只有处于这个环境下的人们才真正理解这一群体,外人恐怕是难以理解的。其实不在高校的很多人都认为教师多么多么好。当教师当然有好的一面,但也不象某些人所想——每天有充足的时间,想做什么就做什么......至少对于一个比较有责任心有上进心的老师是没有这般舒服的。有责任心的老师每天要花费很多时间备课,要了解前沿知识,要和所讲内容联系...不能干巴巴只讲书本内容的。有上进心的老师想要评优、想要评职称,那么你要想办法搞科研,想办法写论文,而且要高水平的论文,没有几篇核心期刊的论文,那至死恐怕也只是个讲师而已,而如今你没有个省级以上的项目支撑、没有个高级职称支撑,发个核心的文章又该如何艰难。如果你的确看破尘世,放弃职称,那可能会过得舒坦一些,这样也是种境界!有多少人可以做到?
诚然每一行都有每一行的艰难,可是我怎么样能在不同行之间跳来跳去呢?没点本事也是做不到的。所以只能安慰自己:干一行就爱一行吧,该忍受就忍受,努力就是了。
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发表于 2007-10-5 16:16:08 | 显示全部楼层
“没有几篇核心期刊的论文,那至死恐怕也只是个讲师而已”。不至于,稍微努力一下,到退休时副教授应该不难改达到。其实也不一定要把职称看得那么严重!看人家北大孔庆东那么厉害,还是副教授。他的职称比很多教授低,可是很多教授未必有他的价值和社会地位高。
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发表于 2007-10-5 17:33:00 | 显示全部楼层
那可不是,有的学校讲师与教授每节课课时费差10块钱呢!青年教师刚走向社会,属于相对的弱势群体,这一点还是不能忽视的……
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发表于 2007-10-5 17:36:27 | 显示全部楼层
引用第23楼海上雨幕于2007-10-05 10:30发表的 :
有责任心的老师每天要花费很多时间备课,要了解前沿知识,要和所讲内容联系...不能干巴巴只讲书本内容的

强烈支持23楼的观点!
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发表于 2007-10-5 20:28:07 | 显示全部楼层
在网上偶遇妙文一篇,是对美国高校青年教师(第一年的)的忠告。办公室政治在那儿都要紧,美国也不例外。


Welcome to Relationships 101, New Professors

Hello New Professors!

Welcome to XU. Right now, your life is a rush of new knowledge, for which graduate school prepared you not at all. Sure, there are some experiences you have already had, like having to get a campus map in your head while you were unpacking and finishing your syllabus. (Actually -- have your belongings arrived yet, or are are you balancing your lap top on your bicycle rack while sitting cross-legged on the floor? That's what I thought.)

And there are other things you know -- you have at least been a section leader at CU, or perhaps you have even run your own seminar, so you have some idea of what will happen on the first day of class. You are vowing to memorize all your students' names in the first week, and you have even written a number of lectures in advance before things get crazy. Perhaps you have been assigned a mentor, having just escaped your graduate mentor -- but what critical pieces of information have you not been given? Read on.

Your department Administrative Assistant and any other office staff are your lifeline to success. This is perhaps the most important thing I could tell you. You think it is your chair who runs the world? Ha. Your chair doesn't even want to be chair, most likely, and since graduate school has never taught administrative skills, half of us who are chairs leave as much of the technical side of running the department in the hands of the office staff as we can. Go in and introduce yourself to the staff, learn their names and remember them. Moreover, never be too busy to inquire after their well-being. Why? Well, other than the fact that it is polite, your office staff can do things for you that you can't do for yourself and, given the longevity of employment among clerical workers, they have relationships with staff around the university who can also help you. Do you have an unsuitable classroom? Guess what? So do ten other people. Your AA can most likely call the single person in the registrar's office who can get you the room you need while the requests of others are kicked to the curb.

Never yell at a member of your, or anyone else's office staff. Ever, ever, ever. And if you do, apologize, even if you were technically in the right and had a good reason to be angry. Flowers will do; candy is better.

Choose your friends, don't let your friends choose you. This was standard advice given to most children in the 1950s and 60s as they started new schools. Even though being chosen by others seems to be the dominant cultural mode, I still think it is relevant to the situation of new faculty to ally themselves to others while keeping their eyes wide open. Here's the scenario to really watch out for:

Before you were hired, you were one of many candidates in the beauty pageant and somehow you became Miss America. The tap dancing, the dieting, the implants, the hot rollers -- it all paid off. But why, exactly, did the judges choose you? "Merit!" you chirp. OK -- I'm not going to say you aren't meritorious, but really, many other people in the search were too, and the process by which you were hired cannot, and should not, be imagined as a scientific deliberation in which it became clear to all that you were, objectively speaking, Graduate Student of the Year. I'm just telling you this because it gets you ready for the big letdown when.....some senior person shimmies up to you and tells you -- confidentially, of course -- that s/he was your really big supporter in the hiring meeting, and that you really need to watch out for Dr. Grumpo, who is a big right-winger and a sexual harasser besides, and hated your work. You are, of course, crestfallen, and ready to grab at the ally who has mysteriously appeared at hand to comfort you. What do you do dear? Do you say, "REALLY???!?" and go out to lunch to hear this new "friend" (who is trying to tie you down as a departmental ally) recount the awful details? You do not. You smile warmly and say, "Thank you so much for your support. I really look forward to working with you," and you just sashay right back into your office and make a dress out of the blinds for good measure. Then, if you are feeling really self-confident, take some time to drop into Grumpo's office (prudently leaving the door open, of course) and see for yourself what this person is like.

Never betray another untenured person. And don't assume someone is a natural ally just because s/he is untenured. If you do something that harms the interests of another untenured person, no matter how unconscious or innocent it was, a lot of people will view you as a snake, and not just your peers. On the other hand, it takes a while to figure out who among your peers can really be trusted to watch your back, because some of them may actually be snakes and not innocent, powerless untenured people at all. Imagining that faculty rank parallels the class formation process, because it too is an effect of oppression, is horribly misguided. If you need any further proof of this, remember that if the class formation process actually had occurred in the United States the way Marx had imagined that it would, historians like David Roediger and Robin Kelley would not have the distinguished careers that they do.

Don't distrust someone just because s/he is tenured. I do not mean to belittle the grave concerns that many untenured people have about tenured folk making unfounded, or founded, judgements about them. But there are a great many people whose advice can be trusted, and this is how you can tell: they don't tell you what to do. They give you the information you need to make your own decision. They don't assume that your experience with a particular person will replicate theirs; they acknowledge that you will want to make your own relationships with others, that your interests might differ from theirs and that the two of you can respect and like each other despite your differences. They don't make core assumptions about you because you are gay/of color/a woman/a man/ white/southern/from the Ivy League/from England. They don't look straight at your brown/queer face and tell you that they don't "see race" or that a good family friend "is gay." OK, so what if some of these things do happen -- is this tenured person untrustworthy? Not necessarily. People who have structural power over you will occasionally make you uncomfortable, and you need to put that information in your personal data bank along with other information, gathered over time. But perform some sort of internal calculus to determine at any given moment whether this is someone who you will be able to rely upon, and for what. Someone who initially makes a negative impression on you may actually be a good colleague, or a good colleague for you, who just fumbled a first impression out of ignorance or their own discomfort. It's not up to you to deal with this, but don't make life harder for yourself by developing grudges that blind you to a person's more congenial qualities.

Do distrust someone who tells you to your face that your intellectual interests are unimportant or wrong. This person wishes you no good, and wants you to go away. Stay away from her, and cultivate a bright, empty smile for hallway encounters.

Whenever someone does something for you, say "Thank you." Saying "thank you" is perhaps one of the most underrated academic skills I know. You are not automatically owed service by anyone. No one -- I repeat, no one -- works for you, New Professor. The class dean works for the dean of the college. The departmental secretary works for the administrative assistant, who works for the chair. There are probably a hundred people who make your work possible, and it is their job to do that, but it is not their job to tolerate rudeness or serve without recognition. Look for an opportunity to pay people back: would it kill you, on the way out to get lunch, to ask the office staff if they need anything -- and to refuse payment for that $1.25 can of Coke? No it would not. Or how about this: a senior colleague has just read your article - ask if you can take her to lunch. The senior person might even say no (recognizing that your salary is a fraction of his), but although this sounds trite -- it is the thought that counts.

Do not have sex with anyone you work with this year. Wait until next year, when people know other things about you.

Never be afraid to ask a question, or ask for help. This is the only way you will learn how your institution works. And despite all the teaching centers that are now in vogue in higher ed, it is the only way you will learn how to teach. Saying to a colleague, "Can you look at my syllabus?" is a good example. This has two advantages: one is that a person who has taught the same demographic of students for years can give you good advice, rather than your students giving it to you in a cruder form at the end of the term. But the other is that it gives people confidence that you care about teaching those students well, as opposed to the students you had at selective CU, or the ones you didn't get a chance to teach when someone else got the job at Zenith. In addition to getting sound advice, here's the Bonus Track: the next time you are being reviewed, this colleague will step in and say, "Yes, we had a good talk about that class, and from what I understand...." In other words, you can counter that sense of not having a role in your own destiny by actually engaging in dialogue with senior faculty who will listen to you and take that information to their peers.

Why, is that the moving truck pulling up outside your empty apartment? Time to go! There's lots more I could say but I, um, have to go -- finish my syllabus. Good luck, New Professors, and don't forget to let your colleagues in the blogosphere know how you are doing.
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发表于 2007-10-7 20:38:42 | 显示全部楼层
上课最多,拿钱最少,就一个字"穷",都被上层盘剥了.现在连学校这一片净土都被污染了,真是悲哀.
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发表于 2008-8-14 16:21:53 | 显示全部楼层
校长贵族化,
领导多员化,
教师奴隶化,
学生祖宗化,
人际复杂化,
加班日夜化,
上班无偿化,
检查严厉化,
待遇民工化,
翻身是神话。
满腔热血把师学会,
当了教师吃苦受罪。
急难险重必需到位,
教师育人终日疲惫。
学生告状回回都对,
工资不高还要交税。
从早到晚比牛还累,
一日三餐时间不对。
一时一刻不敢离位,
下班不休还要开会。
迎接检查让人崩溃,
天天学习不懂社会。
晋升职称回回被退,
抛家舍业愧对长辈。
囊中羞涩见人惭愧。
百姓还说我们受贿,
青春年华如此狼狈。


原帖来自:http://club.163.com/viewArticleB ... g_10ec5f2019f54cb_1
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发表于 2008-8-18 14:55:19 | 显示全部楼层
引用第14楼guocde于2007-09-23 15:59发表的 :
一定要提高高校教师的待遇,只有做到这一点,教师们不用为生活琐事所累,他们才会全身心地投入到教学科研工作中来。------当时的感觉真是觉得丁先生一语中的,非常实在的科学家!

说得太对了。我们学校只有教授有办公室,普通教师副教授、讲师等连几个人哪怕几十个人共用的办公室都没有。上课的时候去教室,上完课了无处可去,只有呆家里。
有人说,在家里办公好啊。可是,高校里是有科研任务要求的,要你一年发表多少篇论文,还要备课。我们又没实验经费,又没实验室,呆家里做科研?我爸妈年纪大,耳朵背,看电视声音开得老大;家里小孩子还未满周岁,整天那个哭啊,我连备课看书都看不进去,还谈什么科研啊。一个年青讲师,一个月两仟多块钱工资,还要交月供,要不是我爸那点退休工资接济一下,我都快讨饭去了。给我家装房子的工人,无论水电工、泥瓦工还是上门的安装工,他们每个月都有三仟的收入。家里还有地,还养了几头猪,还有房,不愁吃、不供房。我好羡慕他们,活得轻松愉快。可惜我出身工人家庭,无产阶级一个,我想去当农民!也比在这高校里要死不活强啊!!有人又说,你不买房不就得了。要是不买房,那也得租房啊,现在学校又不分房子了。一个月的租金都快赶上月供了,并且房租还见风涨。以前两室一厅才550左右、现在都涨到800了。租房还不如买房。买房啊,心酸啊,把父母一辈子的积蓄都投了进去,才够首付。我操这个吃人不吐骨头的社会!!顺便说一句,我们学校去年刚教学评估完,居然还得的是优秀!!教师连办公室都没有一间,居然还得的是优秀!?什么狗屁评估专家哟??专门拿红包来了!!!我日!!!
对不起,越说越激动了!
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发表于 2008-8-18 18:17:32 | 显示全部楼层
楼上说的虽然有些激动,不过还是很接近实际的。于我心有戚戚焉。。。。
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发表于 2008-8-18 23:23:07 | 显示全部楼层
同行们,慢慢来吧,既来之,则安之。
老教师也是过来人,一点一点积累吧。
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发表于 2008-8-29 23:52:22 | 显示全部楼层
引用第30楼1073于2008-08-18 14:55发表的 :


说得太对了。我们学校只有教授有办公室,普通教师副教授、讲师等连几个人哪怕几十个人共用的办公室都没有。上课的时候去教室,上完课了无处可去,只有呆家里。
有人说,在家里办公好啊。可是,高校里是有科研任务要求的,要你一年发表多少篇论文,还要备课。我们又没实验经费,又没实验室,呆家里做科研?我爸妈年纪大,耳朵背,看电视声音开得老大;家里小孩子还未满周岁,整天那个哭啊,我连备课看书都看不进去,还谈什么科研啊。一个年青讲师,一个月两仟多块钱工资,还要交月供,要不是我爸那点退休工资接济一下,我都快讨饭去了。给我家装房子的工人,无论水电工、泥瓦工还是上门的安装工,他们每个月都有三仟的收入。家里还有地,还养了几头猪,还有房,不愁吃、不供房。我好羡慕他们,活得轻松愉快。可惜我出身工人家庭,无产阶级一个,我想去当农民!也比在这高校里要死不活强啊!!有人又说,你不买房不就得了。要是不买房,那也得租房啊,现在学校又不分房子了。一个月的租金都快赶上月供了,并且房租还见风涨。以前两室一厅才550左右、现在都涨到800了。租房还不如买房。买房啊,心酸啊,把父母一辈子的积蓄都投了进去,才够首付。我操这个吃人不吐骨头的社会!!顺便说一句,我们学校去年刚教学评估完,居然还得的是优秀!!教师连办公室都没有一间,居然还得的是优秀!?什么狗屁评估专家哟??专门拿红包来了!!!我日!!!
对不起,越说越激动了!

啊?还有这样的学校?头一次见到!很同情兄弟的遭遇。这样的学校都能评成优?兄弟,在我们这如果是这样的情况,校长基本上不是给骂死的就是给气死的。。
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发表于 2008-8-30 00:14:39 | 显示全部楼层
经历以下过程:
1.颓废。初始时期,受到工作、学习、生活上的若干打击
2、抱怨。从颓废中慢慢恢复,找到原因,开始将精力转移到学习上
3、反省。成长阶段。通过一段时间的思考、调整。自己生活开始步入正轨
4. 明心见性。认识深化阶段。通过大量的阅读、思考,接触社会,增加阅历,心境放宽,不以物喜、不以己悲。

感受:1. 什么都要靠自己
   2、思考比学习更重要
   3. 对自己的家庭要做到尊重、宽容、理解、付出,就会美满
   4、看重努力,看淡名利
   5. 身体健康比什么都重要
   6. 对待朋友要真诚
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发表于 2008-9-2 21:31:19 | 显示全部楼层
的确现在毕业的研究生太不划算了。我们学校前几年把新来的研究生当成宝贝,这两年因为要搞评估,进人的关把得很严,不是很必要的都不进。结果现在来的研究生们只能做临聘教师,做着一切的苦力劳力,工资还比正式的老师低很多很多;除此之外还受着隐隐约约的歧视。今天有个老师就是,身体不舒服还被拉去给领导伴舞。除了教学之外,“临聘”就是对你作出各种有理无理要求的最大理由。。。这样生存环境下的老师,是否有心继续认真地教学和科研?或者是天将降大任于斯人,必先苦其心志,劳其筋骨?
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发表于 2008-9-5 14:18:43 | 显示全部楼层
“年轻教师是高校里的弱势群体”——同意,学校中,行政、很有名的教授在顶尖,一般教师在中,青年讲师、助教在下,等级划分是比较强的
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发表于 2008-9-5 21:13:21 | 显示全部楼层
我是学生~~~ 带我们的辅导员,本科毕业不久,不知算不算这青年教师? 他自毕业后5年,也即今年利用空闲时间通过司法考试,目前外面挂名一家律所,校内今年升任学院一个书记职位(好象是的,只记得升职,记不太轻了)

时间的空闲,或许正是别人羡慕不已的机会呢
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发表于 2008-9-7 21:16:06 | 显示全部楼层
引用第37楼星小目于2008-09-05 21:13发表的 :
我是学生~~~ 带我们的辅导员,本科毕业不久,不知算不算这青年教师?


辅导员不算真正意义上的教师。他们走的是行政路线,所以当上书记是正常的。
我们讨论的穷困的高校青年教师是指在教学第一线,走讲师、副教授、教授这条路线的。
另外,专业不同,贫富差距大得不得了。

在外面找外快跟以下相关:
1、专业性质:有的专业很容易在外面找到外快,有的专业就不行。
2、要有方方面面的社会关系:年青人有什么关系?自己的朋友、同学都是刚出社会的,都是弱势群体。谁都帮不上谁?
3、要脸厚心黑:在外面混捞外快,要耗费很多精力。绝对没有时间和精力花在备课和教学上,那该上的课就要瞎胡乱对付了,不好意思,同学们,课上多吹些无关的牛皮来混时间。
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发表于 2008-9-26 17:04:08 | 显示全部楼层
前途是很光明的———评上副教授后一切好办,什么名呀,利呀的都一起来了。如果在高职高专学校,说不定还有一个不错的位子。
出路在哪?在——科研。没有论文,没有科研项目,课讲得再好也是没有用的。
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