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Candidates debate, voters looks for a reason to pick one over the other
By Associated Press
Friday, October 1, 2004
President Bush and John Kerry [related, bio] debated for 90 minutes Thursday night about the Iraq war, terrorism and homeland security, each making a pitch to voters that he is better suited to run the country. To find out what American voters thought, Associated Press writers watched the debate with critical voting groups in key states, from Pennsylvania to Arizona.
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In LANCASTER, Pa.: At Franklin & Marshall College, professors at the school experimented with an instant electronic polling system to determine whether students' views of the candidates would change after viewing the first debate.
The answer? Not much.
In a room of about 90 students, the majority of whom supported Kerry before the candidates took the stage, undecideds dropped by 6 percent after the debate and Kerry and Bush each picked up 3 percent.
The students sat attentively in the auditorium throughout most of the debate. They laughed at one point as Bush stammered in responding to comments Kerry made about the cost of the war in Iraq and whether it was worth fighting.
``I really was looking at their character and their demeanor and their comfort level,'' said Erin Statler, a freshman from Arlington, Va., and undecided voter. ``I thought Kerry was well-prepared.''
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In MILWAUKEE: Downright passionate about the presidential election and living in a swing state where the 18- to 24-year-old voting bloc could have real impact, some friends got together in a 1920s-vintage apartment near downtown for a debate party.
It didn't help undecided Michelle King make up her mind.
``After this, I'm not any more clear. I'm more in the middle than I was before,'' said the 22-year-old marketing coordinator for a business services and accounting firm. She likes Bush's stance on such issues as stem-cell research and gay marriage, but has more faith in Kerry's economic plan.
``I honestly don't know what it's going to take. I'm really now putting a lot of stock in what comes out of the candidates' mouths,'' she said, vowing to watch the rest of the debates. ``That will really be the deciding factor.''
Andrea Sitzberger assembled the group of 10, mostly young professionals, who sat in a semicircle around a living room television.
At times the group was lighthearted, poking fun at the candidates' tans and rolling their eyes at phrases both candidates used several times.
But more often they were serious, some of them taking notes as the candidates spoke.
Sandy Kaye, a 23-year-old Kerry supporter who works for the chamber of commerce, found the whole night inspiring - even when people didn't agree with her.
``To me, the most important thing is to get people my age voting. I don't care what your belief is, I just want you voting,'' Kaye said. ``So I find this incredibly encouraging.''
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In MIAMI: Maria Mercedes de Caldera, a waitress at the El Atlacatl restaurant in Little Havana, stopped clearing a table full of empty dishes to watch Kerry speak about the war in Iraq.
``It's the first time I've listened to what this guy has to say about Iraq,'' murmured Caldera, 23, who studies tourism at Miami Dade College by day and waits tables at night. ``So far, I think he's doing better than Bush. I wasn't sure if I could vote for Kerry, but now, after tonight, I think he'd be a good president.''
By the end of the night, many of the 30 or so patrons having dinner and a drink at the Salvadoran restaurant agreed that Kerry had scored a victory in style, if not also in substance.
Marlene Ramirez, 32, a Cuban immigrant who teaches English to adults, went against the tide. Though registered as an independent, Ramirez said she was leaning a bit more to Bush after listening to him debate. ``Bush is constant in his policies - he doesn't change his position on issues just to please people, like Kerry does,'' she said. ``Consistency - I like that in a leader.''
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In CONCORD, N.H.: Drinks flowed, neon beer signs blinked, karaoke blared.
In this leadoff primary state, the long presidential campaign has numbed some ears to speechifying.
Still, a handful of bar-goers near the Statehouse strained anyway to hear the television, intent on catching at least pieces of the debate. By the end, a few were swayed - but more repelled than reeled in.
Kerry was ``spending so much time getting people to doubt Bush, that I don't get a message from him,'' groused Steven Guinard, of Peterborough. Undecided beforehand, he found himself leaning toward Bush.
David Joyal, a Republican, thought Bush looked uneasy, clamping his lips and sometimes fumbling for words.
``This is the most uncomfortable I've ever seen him,'' he said. ``It moved me more toward Kerry than I ever thought I would go.''
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In YOUNGTOWN, Ariz.: On one side of the town square in this retirement haven near Phoenix, folks gathered Thursday night for a jam session of gospel and old-time rock'n'roll. On the other, Richard Delaney was singing along to another tune: President Bush's portrayal of John Kerry as inconsistent.
The 71-year-old retired truck driver gathered with a handful of seniors in a conference room to watch the first faceoff between the presidential candidates. Delaney was firmly in the Bush camp pre-debate on everything from preventing terrorism to gun ownership. What he heard only solidified his support.
He snickered as Bush cast Kerry as a waffler on issues, and nodded in agreement as the president defended the war in Iraq. ``Bush was saying what he felt,'' said Delaney. ``Kerry was saying what he thinks people want to hear.''
Town councilman Larry Oglesby skipped the sing-a-long across the street to watch. A registered Democrat and retired Teamster, Oglesby voted for Bush in the last election but wanted to give Kerry a chance. The Democrat put on a good show, he concluded, but didn't have the substance to back it up.
``Kerry came up with a lot of plans, but he had no details. It's like a mechanic with no tools,'' said Oglesby, 63. ``Bush is probably not the greatest president. But between the two, I'll vote for Bush.''
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In ALBUQUERQUE, N.M.: There were times Marva Randolph didn't even finish crunching her chips and guacamole before she blurted out a mouthful of criticism at the television screen.
A 56-year-old registered nurse who works for the Indian Health Service, she was among nine American Indians - some of them relatives - who closely watched the candidates.
Randolph started off the night laughing and joking. But midway through the debate, she turned serious, particularly regarding when the subject was the cost of the Iraq war.
``If we could show the people ... on the pueblo what $200 billion looks like visually, and that we spent that amount of money on the war and not on this land, they would see how important this all is,'' said Randolph, a Kerry supporter.
Indians make up nearly 9 percent of the voting-age population in this state that Democrat Al Gore won in 2000 by only 366 votes.
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Associated Press writers Martha Raffaele, Martha Irvine, Todd Lewan, Jeff Donn, Pauline Arrillaga and Melanie Dabovich contributed to this story.
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