agldacheng 发表于 2007-5-27 18:21:59

第二十六期论坛英语辩论活动(庆祝六一儿童节特别活动)

活动说明:
1.按照辩论要求,会员用英语发表对问题的看法,力求新颖,独到,发言以跟帖方式进行,发言不要太多,少于500词,但不要少于200词。严禁无内容灌水,同意或反对谁的观点都要说明白理由.每个会员只许发表一次。灌水帖将不通知删除,多次灌水的会员扣1个威望,请注意!
2.活动暂时定为1周一次,待本次活动结束将对此活动规则进行完善.


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对活动有好的建议的可以将建议写在活动规则置顶帖中.

评委:montana,doctorliubo,agldacheng
声明:本活动最终解释权归班主.


现在国家规定学校不许给小学生补课,目的是减负.如此,相当多的有针对性的英语培训机构发展起来了(我就在这样的机构兼职),这次请大家论一论,学习英语,真的需要小学生参加课外实习班吗?

liushijun 发表于 2007-5-27 19:09:55

i support that children take part in English coach chass.
the reasons are as follow:
1; to stimulate their interests
2; to make use of their spare time
3;to waste rich family money in order to promote economics developments
4;i am poor educater,so, i can earn money from the coach class
5;as a baby,to learn english earlier is better than to learn later.
6;spare-time learner is usually a best learner.
7;as a baby, they can not gain knowledge quickly,but they can gain it steadily by easy step.

珂珂 发表于 2007-5-27 22:03:19

Whether it is necessary for primary shcool students to attend englsih training school general depends on two aspects: the one is the parents' persipective ,the other is children's pespective.
If the parents are too busy to take care their children's learning, it is better for the primary shcool students attending extro-class. As for immature child, teachers' instruction and supervision is indespensible. If the parents are not compent enough in english and can not tutor their children. In this case, extro english training could help students' mastery of english.
   Speaching of learners, if they really love English from the bottum of heart and hope to learner it well, englsih training schools can offer opportunity to exposure more to the language.

qjchttp 发表于 2007-5-28 14:08:56

Is added English practice expected for pupils? The answer is of course Yes. First of all, language is habit more than knowledge. So if you want to speak fluent English, More speaking opportunities are necessary. In present, pupils learn English knowledge more than speaking. This obviously betrays rules of learning language. So we called the English that obtained in class “dead English”. And so methods for pupils to learn real English are expected. Under the environment, Organizations of English training are developed. Of course, not all of these organizations are suitable for pupils. As well as we known, childhood is the best time of life, so we shouldn’t deprive children’s right of playing. But I think the best organizations can combine English and playing. What they should do is to provide English environment for children. Under the English environment, children can play games in English, and all of this should be guided by trainers. It is obviously, children not only can promote English ability but also can develop their special gift and their communicating ability. So this doesn’t conflict with the national regulations, and in fact it is necessary for pupils. If you want your child speaking English well, please let them attend organizations of English training, but remember, it must be professional organizations. I promise you will get extro-surprise.

我爱我老婆 发表于 2007-5-28 15:10:27

It is necessary for elmentary student to participate in supplementary class
Now the country forbid the school does not have to make up for amissed lesson to the elementary student, the goal is reduces negative So, quite many had the pointed English training organization development.
I support the pass viewpoint which the elementary student makes up for extra lesson, because of along with society's development, Englishis acting the foreign exchange role.
As the old chinese say:The person study, do not have to fall behind.so let's study english hard
and make a progress everyday.

chailang 发表于 2007-5-28 15:45:44

In my opinion, I agree with the elementary students to attend the English training class to improve their English level. Nowadays, students have faced a very tough challenge, if they want have a good living condition in the future, they must accept some education to enrich themselves. As the old Chinese says: theirs is a will, there is a way, No pain, No gain.
In the other way, as a children, it will better for them to learn English earlier, but it must have a Suitable training intensity , after all, the children must have enough time to rest, playing....I think if the children can handle the relationship between playing and their study properly, they will make a great progress.

messenger 发表于 2007-5-29 00:28:54

The answer to this problem is positive. The governor forbids students having the extra lessons in school now. So there is more time for students in spare time. Therefore students may choose the class which they are interested in to study. To do so is benefit for students to develop their abilities in varies aspect. Moreover, the teaching methods of the training schools in society are more valid than the traditional schools. By attending the classes in training schools, the students may enrich their knowledge, which can not obtain in school. And the teachers employed by most training schools in society are often the most excellent teachers in this field. So by study in this type of training schools, the students may have more chances to communicate with excellent teachers. Of course, this type training can not affect the student's routine study and life. After all, the study in traditional schools is their major way to learn knowledge.

airene 发表于 2007-5-29 00:59:18

If you were a parent, and accidentally were too busy to spare your time with your own child, i would advise you to take the risk, but not just to learn Enlish, english is a language not merely a subject, and the main object is to give them chance to make more and more friends.
When the Normal Class gives way to the Training Class,it becomes a question for someone and some institution to consider.
Anyway, I won't sent my baby to the so called ENGLISH Training Class.I will teach him/her all by myself.

豹雲 发表于 2007-5-29 10:04:44

I agree with airene.

Many people are blinded by the overwhelming advertisements and the public tendency, thinking English is an essential, even for childs. Thus take too much pressure and hope a lot.

Actually English is just a Language tool. A tool which you choose to use and help on your promotion. But there is many ways and tools we can use also. For a child what is so ever important is to open their eye and mind to the world, to learn and communicate by heart, thus to build up a complete personal characteristic. With this complete characteristc a child can grow and develope their own interests and knowledge base, which is subtle to a child's entire life.

Let the childs choose their own life with guiding, but not forcing, from parents.

pharm.d 发表于 2007-5-29 10:54:06

Institutes that provide English training to elementary students may be very beneficial IFAND ONLY IF their educational qualities are guaranteed.

An early exposure to English is very likely to be valuable to students since it is much easier for younger people to learn new languages. These students have better memories, while the largest obstacle for adult learners is to remember the vocabulary and grammar.

However, if supplementary education does not have a high quality, it will give the young students wrong concepts of this language. More unfortunately, these incorrect impressions and conceptions will last long yet are very difficult to correct.

junminzh 发表于 2007-5-29 16:02:06

It is doubtful that the children have a strong necessity to learn English at every early age. while parents all wish their kids bemcome something, it seems every kid will make it in the way of English language learning. Such a tendency can make no good to children's growth.

The English Training Institute set their goals at financial benifits, so that all they promise to parents and children can not stand on their own feet. Sometimes they are misleading.

Certainly such institutes are able to provide valuable material for kids, some even may lead children to a big progress in English study. But in the long run, it does not justify why they fail to develop kids' native-like English proficiency.

So, it is not reasonable for every parent to send their kids to the english training course.

hbzhu 发表于 2007-5-29 16:28:15

With the acceleration of globalization, the world becomes smaller and smaller. No country in the word can be free of working together with others. China being the biggest developing country in the world, participates in the international cooperation with other country and involves in the world competition. English is the widest used language for communication between people from different countries. No one can deny that the master of English is basic requirement for our success in international busyness. Therefore learning English is very important for Chinese students.
Nowadays parents pay much attention on children education, hoping them to learn much knowledge in school. Besides studying at school, many children are sent to training school for taking English lessons after school in order to improve their English. As to me, I object to such decision. Firstly, because of competition for admission into better school, the children are burdened with too much studying pressure. They must cope with lots of assignments after class, so there is no time lest for their entertainment. If they attend training class, they will find tired everyday, which giving rise to low efficiency in study. Secondly, language study should be in relaxed circumstance. More practice rather than sitting in class is the best way for English study. Children can practise and study English when they are playing, watching English program and talking with parents.
Although English is important to students, it is not necessarily send them to attend training school.

anthony1308 发表于 2007-5-29 18:05:08

As we all know children have many advantages in learning English than adults. Therefore it is important for the primary students to make use of their time to learning English. Schooling is one of many ways to acquire English skills, it can provide the students with chances for regular and systematic learning. While to learn English well that’s not enough. Language learning need to practice and use it in real society, classroom learning can provide limited chance and time for them to use the target language. They need multiple ways to acquire the target language. Attending English training programs is one of the effective ways. It can provide them with opportunities to communicate with the peers in target language, make chance to use English in real society, motivate their English learning interests, and enhance their self-esteem and self-confidence and so on. Also it can provide the disabled students opportunities to keep chest with the classroom learning process. In other words, attending English training classes can really benefit the primary students if they are willing to do so and have great interests in it.
However, in practice, a lot of students are forced to attend the training because of the pressure from society, family, or educational system. The coming of the information era and the globalization of the world make English more important now than the previous times. The parents all have strong desires to foster their children to be phoenixes or dragons. So they spend much time, energy and money on their children’s education. They send their children to attend many kinds of trainings, which include English training. Although we cannot say their purposes are not good, at least we can say they impose their desires on their children and ignore the children’s wishes or interests or their competence. Some children are very interested in learning English and they want to improve their English skills. The training class may be their best choice and they can benefit from it. While the students who are unwilling to attend such training can benefit nothing from it, instead it may destroy their learning interests and self-confidence. Nowadays the PETS certificate card has become the necessary condition for choosing a famous middle school or high school in Beijing, Shanghai and other big cities. The PETS is originally designed for adult learners who can not receive formal education, but now it is becoming the children’s “favor”. Of course, no one child is willing to attend such test according to Beijing News Daily. They are forced to attend such test because the schools regard the PETS marks as the criterion to enroll their students. What should you do if all of your pees are attending such test? You have no choice but to do it.
When the purpose of the training has become the pass of the exam or just as a stepping-stone rather than to learn English well, it should be considered cautiously. The attending of the English training class should not become the variation of the children’s load. Parents should respect their child’s opinions and consider his or her interests, energy, and health. The government and educational institutions should also consider that whether or not it's necessary for the children to attend the PETS training and test.
In one word, if you want to improve your child’s English skills, you can choose to let him or her to attend the training program. But remember: don’t let it become your child’s load because it can destroy him or her. After all, the students should take responsibility for their own learning.

sunny_life 发表于 2007-5-29 20:18:22

the mordern brain science tells us that it is very important to catch the special key period to master many kinds of knowledge and technology ,including the language learning .and as a language ,it is also needed to give more oppotunities to practice oral and aural english.but to be honest ,i dont think it is necessary to get extra english teaching in the english teaching institute.the reasons r the following:

    firstly: though the theory says it is better and more effective to learn engllish in the younger time,the reality is that more abilities being attained is limited to the young period ,and in the concrete time can the children have the capability to part them into a few persons? how can they save enough time to enjoy their treasurous childrens period?

    secondly,with the develpment and improvement of the classroom english teaching and learning ,the english teachers r getting more and more capable in the english profession,they can provide the children good english teaching,even better than the english teachers in the institute.so if the parent can supervise the child to get the good habit of reading and listening to english in spare time ,i t is sure the child can learn well.

    thirdly: it is sometimes true that some english teaching institute can improve the english on the high effect, but it needs much money ,especially facing the foreign teachers.in my eyes most of family can not afford such ecnomic pressure.if the tuit is not expensive ,the teaching quality is the same unbelievable .

   so considering in the different aspects,i choose for my daughter not to attend the english teaching ,and give her tha chance to spend enough time playing .in the future when i am rich enough, maybe i will find a foreign english teaching institutefor her to practise oral english .
thanks!

kiyuwwb 发表于 2007-5-29 21:34:20

The Chinese culture venerates education and educators. Teachers are respected more there than in the other countries.

And then there is a deep-seated belief that success in education depends on effort, not ability. Parents think that kids succeed in subjects like math because they have the ability ("my child just isn't good at math," or "math is Johnny's best subject"), but Chinese parents think that anyone can succeed if they work at it.

The real puzzle in our society is the lack of student effort. Raising standards might prompt some students to work harder, but it will also prompt many, many parents to complain bitterly about unfair pressure on their children and it will certainly energize a huge sector in education devoted to the idea that free play is always better than higher standards, as well as the sector that believes that higher standards are very bad for those who are unable or unwilling to meet them.

Meanwhile, many students spend their time and effort playing games on the computer, hanging out in the mall, or working at a fast-food franchise to earn enough for pricey sneakers. It has been a long time since anyone set high expectations for the general run of students. The kids in the top-achieving groups are working as hard as anyone in China and experiencing enormous pressure to succeed.

At bottom, we face the problem of our success. Too many kids dream of growing up to be an entertainer, neither of which is a realistic prospect. Too few dream of becoming an engineer or a teacher or a nurse or entering other lines of work that are needed and feasible. Too many have learned to get by with minimum effort, knowing that they will graduate high school and get into college -- if they wish -- with minimal effort.

The world is flat. Few of youth would show up at school at 6:30 a.m. for extra tutoring, especially if they actually needed it.What happens to a nation when many of its children expect that they will be okay without exerting any effort or hard work?

yjj543000 发表于 2007-5-29 22:22:13

My opinion is that parents shouldn’t put their lovely children into prison-like training centre to improve their completive ability. Maybe some of you would say that what I am going to say bellows are all cliché and not practical at all, but I would like to tell you that sometimes experience is the source of truth:
I’m going to be a teacher, and because of this, I have read a lot of books about education (especially about young). I find that most of books mention that the children should be set free when they are studying, because they are not just studying, because they are not just studying but also experiencing. In this circumstance, parent should not interfere in this kind of activity (in my eyes, study is a kind of active activity rather than a burden), let alone it is arranged by parents. A s Rousseau said that children belonged to nature, and the worst way to educate them is to confine them and restrict their nature. Of course I can understand most parents’ aim: It is natural for them to cultivate and foster their off springs in the best environment, so their children will get more chance to chase success in future life. But they neglect that good will doesn’t mean good ends. Without proper way, it may goes to the opposite. So I suggest those who want to bring their children to training centre to give free time to kids and leave them a happy childhood.

fx222222 发表于 2007-5-30 11:57:46

English is the most universal and extensive language in modern world, so it is very important to master the language. In my opinion, it is necessary for the pupil to attend the tutorial class.
1.The professional teacher of the class is very helpful to correct the pronunciation and nurture the beneficial method of studying.
2.There are many students in the class which communication is possible, so the passion of studying is easily trained.
3.Good foundation from the early years is very profitable in the future.
4.According to some report, the fittest period of mastering language is the infancy and juvenile.
5.Not only entering a high school, but also the life communication, English studying is very neccery.

涂于德 发表于 2007-5-30 21:01:08

There's a need, but keep an eye on the qualifications!
      My daughter who is in his fifth year is going to graduate from an experimental primary school now. Yesterday I went to a local famous middle school to inquire about what necessary requirements for a good primary school graduate to meet. They asked me a lot about my daughter’s qualifications, for example, has she taken part in any Olympic math competition and won a good prize? Has she got the 1st place in the primary English contest (which is well known to local students in our region)? When I got out of the gate of this famous middle school, accidentally I found another two sheets with CAs on them ----
   Would you like to see your child pass various exams with ease?
   Is it your hope your child stands outstandingly among the teenagers?
    Join in our special education class, which equips your child with good, promising tomorrow, guaranteed by our super experienced and patient teachers!
    Take our hand and your will have taken held of the bright future!
   Primary school students’ learning burden should be lightened, as we know. However, those high standards for an excellent primary school graduate must be met at the same time! The students who take a good after-class Olympic math class worthy of its name, sure, are superior to those who don’t. Seeing my purse lightened, I, though reluctantly, have to urge my princess to attend one of this kind of “interest” classes!
   So far, so good and helpful the extra educational training class to some extent, as long as parents choose a qualified training class with really qualified first-class teachers. Remember, quite a few of this kind of classes are intended for your purse!

痞子狼 发表于 2007-5-31 00:55:21

Take the education status of the current primary and junior schools to see, isn't very optimistic.I
feel that it is still necessary to let them take part in several normal training class becomingly, this
still has an advantage.For instance:
One,Let the kid's affluent in off hours,schoolmates would like to do some things at off hours, not
have a habit of idleness.
Two, Make for improving the classmates' self-confident , it makes a good use of improving a
person's interest.
Three, It can widen a person's field of vision,classmates can have many more chances within the
course of studying to get to some new lease of lives, and then,the kid's curiosity can lend
themself to have a habit of consider problem with one's shoulder to collar and pile up more
knowledge and experience out of it.
For,Help to communicate within classmates,further the friendship within classmates.

gongchao6330 发表于 2007-5-31 19:00:59

I don't think it's necessary for kids to take part in English training class

I don't think it's necessary for kids to take part in English training class. The reason is that: in my opinion, a happy childhood memory is very valuable to everybody, which can’t being make up once you have missed. Although study is very important for the growing of a guy, extra study is not necessary, since school study has provide enough for the guy, the content of which has been designed to satisfy the need of pupil on the syllabus, and regulations has been released to reduce study load, to give back childhood of children. After class, it’s time for guys to play games, to have fun, to do whatever they like. Although they need proper guide and education in their spare time, training class may not be the proper format. Extra study can give them extra knowledge, but not always bring them happiness. Most often it means burden to them. So I think it is not necessary for kids to take part in English training class.
English training class which can bring them not only knowledge but also happiness is preferable, but commonly it is very hard to find, and those “classes” may not take the form of “classes”.
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