密歇根大学教授拒绝清华大学学生申请读Ph.D.的回信
密歇根大学教授拒绝清华大学学生申请读Ph.D.的回信(Sat Mar 31 13:12:32 2007)
letter from a professor majored in ME,U OF MICHIGAN,US
Dear xxx:
I would like to inform you of the situation relevant to Chinese graduate
students here, at least at our department, which makes it very difficult for
us to accept graduate students from China in the future.
Over about one year period, we have had 6 Chinese Ph.D. students quit their
RAship and Ph.D. studies. The reason for them to leave was not that they
could not continue, it was rather because they want to have a job now (a
higher salary, with a hope that the companies will apply for their green
card status). They came with thier promises to pursue their Ph.D. degrees,
we paid tuition for them to take courses for their Master degree, and we
taught and helped them in their research capabilities. Once they got their
M.S. degree in Mechanical Engeering, because of the excellent job market in
the U.S. at this time, it is relatively easy for them to find a job. In a
way we felt that we were used as a step for those Chinese students to come
here, and get their master's degree, then get their jobs. We pay
approximately $45-50 K/year for each Ph.D. student, including the tuition,
health insurance, various fees, lab and computer fees, and monthly salary,
we also put a lot of time and efforts for them. They (most of them) also did
good research work as assistants. However, we don't get credit because we
don't produce PH.D's, which is one of our major purposes as an institution
of high education. On the other hand, they have their particular interests
which are also understandable, for example, financial pressure, and wishes
to have their green card applications on the way asap.
This situation also happened to my Chinese Ph.D.student. He is very talented
and did a good job in research. However, after he got his M.S. in M.E., he
resigned very recently. We still let him stay here presently (with salary)
for one more month, otherwise he will have to repay his tuition, which is
over $10K. Although we are very considerate for those students, the
consequencies are obvious:
(1) It greatly degraded the reputation of Chinese graduate students who
apply for admission. Some professors address those as \"very unethical\", \"you
really cannot trust them when they promise you to pursue their Ph.D. degrees
under your supervision\", \" you feel you are so stupid as cheated by your own
student\". It really created some resentment. Actually, I know, as of this
time, there are a couple of more students looking for a job or already got a
job offer, but not telling their advisors. They will quit at the last minute
before they leave. This situation will certainly get backfired, and the
damadge will mostly be transferred onto the future applicants from China.
(2) Some professors or research scientists have already made their decisions
not to consider Chinese student applications. Although it should not and
cannot be a policy, it is the individual's decision in selecting future
Ph.D. students with preference, and in my opinion, with good reasons. It
will make it much more difficult for us to bring in Ph.D. students from
China. For example, as you know, I was looking for one or two Ph.D. students
later this year, and I have a vacancy for a Ph.D. student now. But I will
not consider Chinese applicants. At the same time I feel truely sorry, for I
know, especially many graduate students from Tsinghua University of very
high qualifications sent email applications to me (and to other professors),
including yourself. Now I have to inform you that please try your
applications elsewhere, or other professors.
In our department, many Chinese graduate students know me and we have a very
friendly relationships. The faculty members know that too. One told me: \"You
try to help them, then they screw you up!\"
I spent time to write this email message, for your information and
considerations, as to how this situation may be somehow alleviated. You may
discuss this with your close friends and classmates, I am not sure you
should broadly propagate this message. But I did present a fact and an
opinion
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(XYS20070402) 估计是1/4，美国人估计不会这么明显的在信里发表这么有歧视性的内容的，你可以歧视，不招收，但是不能说出来。就好比你有种族歧视，招工不要黑人，你可以说他教育程度低，某方面经验不够等等，但是不能说因为他黑。
信里的情况确实存在，但并不像这个“教授”所说得那么严重，第一，这种现象不光是存在于中国学生，更多的存在于美国本地学生当中，他们找工作比中国人更方便，更熟悉，所以虽然中国人有中途quit的问题，但是美国人更多，更早。所以不要中国学生，他们只能拥有更多得更早quit的学生。
美国教授有一些很黑，拖着中国学生不让毕业，我有几个朋友都在准备quit，原因就是他们的教授不肯让他们毕业，时间长的已经有7年（包括master degree），他们都是直接读博，因为有很多地方硕士是没有奖学金的，可是过了硕士之后，教授基本上就把他们当作cheap labor来用，德州的时薪下限是$4~5, 学生都是ot的，折算起来，连最低时薪都拿不到。有些人是跟教授谈了才能毕业，更多的人看到这些，就早作打算了。
还有就是master确实比ph.d好找工作，因为机会多，ph.d的工作机会不多，如果你去找master可以做的工作，往往失败，原因就是over qualified. 而毕业生们大部分都是准备要绿卡的，毕业之后一般来说有一年的时间来获得H1签证，继而有机会拿到绿卡，如果未果，那就只能回国了。所以对于博士来说，路就很窄，要么做博士后来获得特殊的H1, 要么去找不多的工作机会。反观只有硕士学位的毕业生，压力小很多。 唉，这是什么世道呢！ incredible 如果条件允许，生活富足，谁不想过悠闲的学校生活？？？！！！ 引用第1楼neotsu于2007-04-03 21:51发表的 :
估计是1/4，美国人估计不会这么明显的在信里发表这么有歧视性的内容的，你可以歧视，不招收，但是不能说出来。就好比你有种族歧视，招工不要黑人，你可以说他教育程度低，某方面经验不够等等，但是不能说因为他黑。
信里的情况确实存在，但并不像这个“教授”所说得那么严重，第一，这种现象不光是存在于中国学生，更多的存在于美国本地学生当中，他们找工作比中国人更方便，更熟悉，所以虽然中国人有中途quit的问题，但是美国人更多，更早。所以不要中国学生，他们只能拥有更多得更早quit的学生。
美国教授有一些很黑，拖着中国学生不让毕业，我有几个朋友都在准备quit，原因就是他们的教授不肯让他们毕业，时间长的已经有7年（包括master degree），他们都是直接读博，因为有很多地方硕士是没有奖学金的，可是过了硕士之后，教授基本上就把他们当作cheap labor来用，德州的时薪下限是$4~5, 学生都是ot的，折算起来，连最低时薪都拿不到。有些人是跟教授谈了才能毕业，更多的人看到这些，就早作打算了。
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这位仁兄，好像美国的master不是你所说的那么难吧，据我所知，美国master除了MBA等少数外，都只有一年半到两年时间，根本不算是学位，只不过是为就读PH.D准备的，再者，美国博士的毕业要求论文质量比较高，当然比较难毕业点了！而在英国mater学位就和中国差不多了，属于独立学位！ 引用第5楼niceview于2007-04-04 20:09发表的 :
这位仁兄，好像美国的master不是你所说的那么难吧，据我所知，美国master除了MBA等少数外，都只有一年半到两年时间，根本不算是学位，只不过是为就读PH.D准备的，再者，美国博士的毕业要求论文质量比较高，当然比较难毕业点了！而在英国mater学位就和中国差不多了，属于独立学位！
老兄，我讲的就是PH.D, 不是master, 因为很多学校的很多系是不提供master奖学金的，所以如果你想要奖学金，就需要直博。这样一来，一般都要脱很久才能毕业。所以很多人在过了master之后，不想继续读博，就和学校协商只拿硕士就quit了，协商的原因就是某些情况下学校不允许你毕业，或者需要你补交学费等等。
我从没讲过master很难， 只是想拿到有奖学金的master offer很难。
时间长的已经有7年（包括master degree）， 可能是没说清楚， 指的是包括拿到master degree的时间，已经读了有7年，但是还没拿到PH.D
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